I have a secret

[Drahmee]

So, as some of you may be aware, Mob and Lava Parkour have been around a long time. Six years ago, I built something special (which is hidden from view) around them, so if we lost sortals we'd still have a HC consisting of three maps (Lava Parkour, Mob Parkour, and Glowstone Labyrinth) in that when you completed one map, you could immediately run to the next one, since they were all next to each other.

This necessitated building two sets of tunnels, one set which went around Lava Parkour, and one which went around Mob Parkour. The intent was that when I wanted (and for a while this was part of HC), I could make some or all of the non-exits send a player back to the beginning of that map, via these tunnels, rather than them having to jump into lava.

Fast forward to Sept 2017. If I did this for all exits now, I could make the exit dropdowns non-lethal, and they'd just send you back to the start of the map.

What do we think about this? Should I do it?

 

[Edan456 the 2nd]

Yes plz, that would be great

 

[Zatharel]

If you want my honest opinion, I think the guess element is the most ridiculous thing that exists on this server and I can't think of a single person that enjoys it. If any new map were to have this it would probably be denied in a heartbeat.

But sure, tunnels are better.

 

[AliBlossoms]

I think this would be better

 

[Srentiln]

I kinda enjoyed it once I was out of HC...

Personally, I see no difference between a death restart and a walk restart. It's like STS, either way it's still staring from the beginning. I would say a restart sign in these instances is also basically the same thing.

 

[henniboy321]

It can make a difference in certain challenges as you only have a limited amount of lives

 

[spolendina]

just remove the guess element entirely.. it's completely pointless and incredibly frustrating

 

[Hex]

Here's to having contrary opinion!
I mean, it's been like this a long while. Why change it? It might make Hexa slightly easier and it might make the map slightly less intimidating. And people aren't gonna walk back, they're gonna /kill. I see no difference in having this. I don't see anything wrong with it myself. meh. I don't see a huge reason to change it.

 

[Drahmee]

I was thinking mainly for the "Hexa Heroes", as I call them.

 

[henniboy321]

Most of the players who get to mob parkour will already know the exit (if you don't change it again ).

 

[Drahmee]

I changed it maybe 1-2 weeks ago

 

[Srentiln]

Drah is nicer than I would be when it comes to that. I'd set it up to automatically change each time someone got the correct one

 

[Drahmee]

Okay, everything is complete, with each dropdown having an alternate exit which will bring you back to the start of the map. It's still faster to /kill if you're not in Hexa.

Just because I have a reputation to uphold, I lowered the number of correct exits from three to one.

 

[rmanimal]

As for people who argue about abolishing the guess element, yes it's annoying but it also creates great maps if it is utilized well.
For example, Holes is a majorly guess-oriented map, but is pretty fun because you don't have a huge setback if you choose the wrong path.

 

[Drahmee]

Same with Chillers and Kasius' Door maze

 

[Drahmee]

As it was, the intention back in 2010 was to slow down how quickly whities could compete HC for green rights. We had so few maps, especially hard parkours, that we felt we had to do something.

 

[Srentiln]

STS is also heavily guess-based, and yet most people seem to like it. It's a valid mechanic, and people seem to be unsure what they want from it.

 

[MOUTHWEST]

Mob and Lava have been changed to rotate the correct exits upon completion.

 

[spolendina]

Guess is not a valid mechanic... Unless there is some kind of logic that can be used to solve which one is correct (then it wouldn't be guess) it shouldn't be in a map. It's frustrating and a cheap way to piss of players

 

[Srentiln]

pol, it is a valid mechanic that has been used successfully in several maps. The main frustration that comes in relation to drah's maps is where he uses it. Having to guess at the very end of a parkour map has frustrated people for a long time. However, as previously stated, other maps that have implemented it as a "main body" mechanic are considered enjoyable.

Just because the way something is implemented in some cases is frustrating doesn't make it invalid.